Luise Hölscher : „Das ITZ-Bund muss anders geführt werden“
Im Interview spricht die Staatssekretärin im Digitalministerium über geplante Zentralisierungen bei der Verwaltungsdigitalisierung, nötige Änderungen beim ITZ-Bund und wann eine Entscheidung zur Digitalagentur getroffen wird.
von Benjamin Hilbricht & Oliver Voß
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