Au : „Wenn ein Telefon gehackt wird, dann muss es Transparenz über einen derart invasiven Eingriff geben“
Donncha Ó Cearbhaill ist der amtierende Leiter des Sicherheitslabors bei Amnesty International in Berlin. Sein Team beschäftigt sich unter anderem mit dem Aufspüren von Spyware bei Journalist:innen. Wie er dabei vorgeht und warum seiner Meinung nach die EU Spähsoftware stärker regulieren muss, erklärt er im Interview.
von Jens Ohlig
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Herr Ó Cearbhaill, Sie sind der amtierende Leiter des Sicherheitslabors bei Amnesty Tech. Wofür braucht Amnesty ein Sicherheitslabor?
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